Crossfire: He was the best Jedi killer, but he had 1 rival who he could never kill Obi Wan fucking Kenobi! @ILS In SoD, Maul (a fresh Maul) adds his power to the Talzin vs Sheev stalemate, and a near dead, tired Dooku adds his as well. Dooku ordered Grievous not to kill Maul, simply to defeat and wound his forces enough that Maul would seek out Mother Talzin's help. Power. Shock: Sad how he lost them to pirates and the green Nightsister magic seeped out of him, making him unstable, until he and his brother were picked up again by Mandalorian's and then ruled as Mandalores king, even killing Kenobi's girlfriend Satine, but got into a fight with his old master. Who will win in a fight between General Grievous and Darth Maul? She took multiple kicks, and only took one arm after 13 seconds of fighting. Wasn't even mid-fight. I'm not buying your conclusion on this at any rate and so do the rest of us in this thread from that matter. A Kaleesh warlord from the planet Kalee, he chose to have his body modified with numerous cybernetics to improve his physicality, eventually leaving his eyes, brain, lungs, and a few other organs as the only remaining … In Legends I’d say that Grievous wins. There's also the fact that Dooku is more powerful in the force compared to Maul. Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Shock: From this day Sheelal was known as General Grievous. Crossfire: He wields the darksaber, an ancient Mandalorian weapon made by Jedi, and his own double bladed lightsaber. Darth Vader has such prominence in Star Wars mythology it's easy to forget he was a replaceable official in the Empire. Darth Maul: Silence. I've already detailed my reasons for the fight being unusable in that other thread I gotta respond to at some point. Grievous killed Adi Galia in legends, but Savage killed her in TCW. Crossfire: He was thought to be dead however survived as a half metal spider/human on a Lotho Minor, a harsh volcanic planet, until his brother Savage took him to their mother and he got Grevious claw legs, although he can't break ships easily, and was skilled with leg grabs and new speed. 1 Fanon Wiki Ideas So Far 1.1 Battles Royale 1.2 Battle Record 1.3 Possible Opponents 2 History 3 Death Battle Info 3.1 Background 3.2 Weapons and Abilities 3.3 Force Abilities 3.4 Feats 3.5 Flaws 4 Trivia 5 Gallery Akihiro Dragoscale vs Darth Maul Akuma vs Darth Maul (Complete) Darth Maul vs Black … Tyranus himself had trained him in lightsaber technique. Hm okay, I'd like to hear your opinion on why you consider it unusable. He might even solo them both. However, it is just not as perfect as the last lightsaber duel Star Wars fans got to see … Maul started talking to his foe while chlenching his face and using his other hand, forced up the darksaber and sent it flying forward into Grevious' eye, splattering blood. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Grievous launched his forces towards the surface, and Maul's troops immediately began firing anti-aircraft weaponry at them. Grievous: repeatedly flee's from Kenobi during clone wars, and is eventually killed by the same man. Perhaps better. The guide is basically incredibly contradictory anyway. He shrugged of lightning from Mighella (one of the most powerful Nightsisters) even 6 months prior to TPM. Grievous' durability matters for this fight, Maul often gives a non-lightsaber blow in battle if there's an opening for it. Where does he rank better than Dooku in Legends? © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Maul came back to the fight first and force pushed him away during a lull. Shock:However this did not save him and even though he gave Kenobi a wallop with his limbs sending the Jedi flying far and even denting a ship with his punch, his stomach armor was pried open and a blaster shot defeated him. Two Grievous was trained by Darth Tyrannus to avoid force moves plus once he stuck his toes in the ground and survived a force below which is far stronger than many of Maul's attacks. How come? Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind. Canon Grievous would have as much difficulty with Maul as he does with Kenobi. That is, after all, the case with legends EU Ventress. I don't see how he can hope to be as proficient as a Jedi or a Sith could be fighting with a lightsaber, which is why he's always willing to dirty play at the end of the day. It's probably his best feat as far as dueling is concerned aside from the Hypori stomp. I am curious. Crossfire: Funny how he died to his own blaster, speaking of which Greivous has a pretty big arsenal ranging from his blaster rifle, a magnaguard staff, and his 4 lightsabers. Canon Grievous actually has a better chance as he abuses his physical advantages more and eschews technique all together. Kit Fisto won the fight with Grievous due to him not being in proper shape to fight to begin with, as stated by his repair droid. Follow 21942. This would also apply to Legends versions, which is simply untrue. Some jackass tried to drop a steamroller on me outside! If I'm not mistaken, Dathomir is a potent dark side nexus right? 65. Crossfire:The winner is General Grievous. Where does he rank better than Dooku in Legends. General Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the Armies of the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars against the Galactic Republic. Feet magnetised to the ground (restricted to almost no movement), narrow environment disallowing proper use of his attack methods and also he wasn't able to use all 4 of his lightsabers, only 2 of them, effectively halving his attack output and attack speed. Sure, Maul is well trained and incredible skilled, but does him being an apprentice in the latest generation of Banite sith put him above Grievous? A part of The Clone Warsseason 6 you never saw! Guess he has a lot of moments to saber. However, I would like to know what you think in that other thread regarding the more technical aspect of the fight. The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. Grievous beats Jedi all the time. And Grevious actually overwhelmed Fisto at the start of the fight, forcing him to use the environment. Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Last edited by copper.warrioranalytics on July 7th 2019, 9:42 pm; edited 1 time in total. More droids had come and shot his two body guards followed by a towering metallic creature. : More like a refugee, now let me in Nova! Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. A user above posted a very impressive feat of Grievous fighting on par with Mace and worrying Mace with his prowess. Shock: He is resistant to lightning and has survived being cut in half, frozen in space with 1 leg, and being thrashed around by the strongest Sith in the galaxy at the time. Maul gets decimated in EU versions. 70. TCW & ROTS on the other hand establish that Grievous is in the general range of Obi-Wan, Gallia, Koth, and so on. Sign Up Login. EDIT: i read the fight wrong and thought it was ventress vs grievous vs maul, not maul vs team. The son of his mother and father, Grievous was a Kaleesh warlord and feared warrior from the planet Kalee. Maul is trained to fight with Forms VII and sometimes VI, but Grievous … Not all out. And Grievous was winning against Kit and his Padawan at once earlier in the battle: He immediately ignited his two lightsabers and swung them at the Jedi, but the walls of the corridor were too narrow for him to maneuver. Heck, even in son of Dathomir, Grievous managed to dismiss him in a lightsaber duel, and was only beaten when Maul landed a force push on him. They are overruled by higher sources. In fact he was casual, and allowed Grievous to get back up, gather himself and attack. Shock: Wielding his iconic double bladed lightsaber and using fierce kicks and punches he gave the two Jedi trouble and killed Qui Gon but got sliced in half just as he was about to kill Kenobi. Grevious: Ah the yellow beasts brother Darth Maul, droids ready the ship for takeoff I will deal with him. Intelligence. Another thing to take into account is that Grievous wasn't looking at Maul when he got force pushed. Crossfire: He started off the fight using his extremely fast 20 strike per second ability to try and intimidate the Jedi however two of his arms were lost and the clones were attacking so he went into his spider mode where he goes on 6 limbs and can quickly get away in exchange for offense. Crossfire: He was already taking on crime groups and stronger foes at the time but his most important task was that to kill the Jedi Obi Wan Kenobi and his master Qui Gon Jinn at Tatooine but had to wait for a battle at Naboo. Shock: He was chosen by the most skilled Sith lord at the time, Darth Sidious, and as a child was skilled in combat. Surrender and I promise you will die quickly.". Maul also has incredible endurance feats, he no selled a kick from Grievous, showing great tolerance and endurance at the same time. Grevious,"If that is how you deal with droids, gloating after one strong hit and not spending time to make sure they are done, then you are worse than even the stupidest battle droids. Based on unaired episodes of The Clone Warstelevision series! Crossfire: Despite a 2 on 1 he was overpowered and his brother Savage was killed, bringing out his hatred, which allowed him to push back his master but then he was beat with the force. Dooku has consistently outperformed the combine force of Anakin and Obi-Wan, something Maul could never hope of doing, dueled Yoda evenly, matched him in a force contest and is a proven peer of Mace, the same person who defeated Palpatine in a duel. However he turned his into an assassin type droid, loading it up with all types of weapons. I've already detailed my reasons for the fight being unusable in that other thread I gotta respond to at some point. Re: Darth Maul vs Ventress and Grievous… He was hindered in 3 ways during that duel. But he didn't know Vaapad—the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled. Shock: And General Grievous the Kaleesh demigod and commander of the droid army. @erkan12: That Dave quote is pretty concrete. Shock: He can use his super strength, cling to ceilings with his claws, and his armor can even stop lightsabers and shots from, Slave 1? Robbie Clone:Um boss should we use this new net. Grievous dismisses him outright. This is why Mace began to get worried and decided he must end the fight now before it prolongs. He also out dueled Kit Fisto. At some point in his life, Grievous became a cyborg following a serious accident that destroyed most of his body and almost killed him, but afterwar… He beat Palpatine and Lucas himself stated him to be able to compete with him. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep. Robbie:Look at this a little girl, a blue guy, and a dog with a sword. Grevious then slowly picked up the speeders two parts and hauled them at Maul only for him to catch them with the force and send them flying at the general to slice up with his sabers. Grievous being capable of competing with Mace would jump him into the general range of Yoda, Sidious, etc. Crossfire: Yep raised on Dathomir he was a strong child, and had a connection to the force like many in his species. Crossfire: Alright the combatants are set lets end this debate once and for all. Force Lightning is the trademark ability of sufficiently powerful Dark Side users, for it's raw, untamed power is a… Maul began firing shots, guided by the force, and managed to land a few through hole sin the wreckage, although Grevious was unfazed. TPM Maul would narrowly overcome Grievous every single time, via being a better fighter -- albeit with extreme difficulty. Just remember that Dooku is no mere Dark Jedi like that Ventress woman; he is a Lord of the Sith.". @erkan12: Sorry, that's a dueling list. Forum Posts. Darth Maul, people often talk of how he was just a killing machine. Dave doesn't have WoG status. Frozen. Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. Maul,"And that is how I deal with droids", and he stood up gloating in victory. The planet Dathomir was being swarmed by Seperatist ships meanwhile a Mandalorian fighter zipped by them down to the surface and landed next to a burning Nightbrother camp. Grievous being capable of competing with Mace would jump him into the general range of Yoda, Sidious, etc. I’d still back Maul in canon, but in a very very close fight. But then, Dooku had kept some secrets to himself. Crossfire: He started out as a Kaleesh, a reptilian warrior race, named Qymaen jai Sheelel. Maul threw Grevious with all his strength but the General recovered, fired a shot only to be avoided, and then ran into a metal wreckage. Mandalorian: Sir the droids are coming, ahh! How to Create Your Own What-If Death Battles, General Death Battle TN and Template Blog, 'Villain vs. He did make use of the fog but when they were out in the open, Grievous was forced on the defensive and disarmed before that. In legends it was due to an accident. Shock: He only mastered the force push and force choke sadly and has rarely used them. Wiki Points. Grievous is still a beast in canon. Kenobi was able to land a pretty heavy Force blow on Grievous in ROTS though, and it led to him giving up and running for it after Kenobi had already taken a couple of his hands. Maul, angered, grabbed a droids blaster before roundhouse kicking it down and taking the blaster. Personal opinion is not an official statement. Especially not someone like Maul who is well trained in the latest generation of Banite sith and ranks better than Dooku. Grievous certainly has the feats to put him above Maul when it comes to duelling. Getting cut in half by Obi-Wan Kenobi and being rejected by his former Sith master Darth Sidious isn't going to defeat Darth Maul. Grievous has his four light sabers and Maul has his dual saber as well as the dark saber to switch with. He fired shots and with Maul using the force he barely had time to counter, getting shot in the arm. Also his unpredictability (Grievous attacks from numerous different angles when he is in quad blade mode, which is very difficult to defend against). Crossfire: Maul the Dathomirian sith trained from childhood. Villain' Themed Death Battles, https://deathbattlefanon.fandom.com/wiki/General_Grievous_vs_Darth_Maul?oldid=1038215. Separate Sith Eyes file that replaces all Grievous' skins with his base skin and gives him glowing eyes The battle ground is Dathomir both fighters are at their absolute best and determined to kill each other. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long. Then he started beating the shit out of it like a madman! I know that according to SWAEYNTK guide, Maul is above Dooku but that is canon. Maul. Grevious pulled out an electrostaff and swung at Maul, who countered with his double bladed lightsaber. Maul is simply not on his level. Still Grievous, his fighting evenly with Mace while hindered as well as his feat on Hypori is something I don't see Maul replicating. Shock: Speaking of fighting style yes Maul could overwhelm Grevious if he had passion to fight and rage but Grevious could adapt his style to counter Maul and overpower him. Good enough for C level opposition but not for someone in Kenobi’s class which is where Mauls at. For support Grievous has his body guards, and Maul has his brother. Crossfire:Also while Grevious has never survive don a planet with his limbs broken before the age of 10, which helped Maul with taking those hard kicks and punches, he has taken shots form Slave 1 to his joints, making force augmentation not that effective. Grevious,"You have cost me one eye today now I will cost you two and your life". But I would consider it invalid for the same reason Ventress' high standings are invalid. Grievous didn't "drive Kit back," they bladelocked once, Grievous physically shoved Kit back, then sliced at him. Crossfire: Despite being a force user Maul is an excellent marksman, and a skilled brawler. He isn't losing to Maul or Ventress. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Grevious would've hit the droid if he was stronger but replied with yes and was picked up and taken to a shuttle before the droid ships left the camp and bombed it before heading to space. Legends Grievous still loses, no matter how they overrate him, he isn't going to defeat a Sith Lord in any galaxy. Why wouldn't he? He struggles against either alone, and Kit was beating him decisively. I mean, it's just me, but he doesn't have the Force. The only other time that Fisto pressed Grevious was when he force pushed him to the ground. Reinforced by the old episode guide: "Fisto shears off one of Grievous' hands, reclaiming that lightsaber. Crossfire:Well Grevious had taken a blaster shot to the guts while only coughing even though the following shots set him on fire and killed him, so he would be able to take a light headbutt plus like all bad guys Maul can gloat. Whirling his arms Grevious almost had killed his foe when suddenly Maul used the force to bring Grevious' arms down and jump up to back kick his face before turning around and kneeing him in his robotic groin, making the General cough. Grevious jumped but Maul caught his foot and using force augmentation, began slowly crushing it. This is also despite the fact that Fisto had just finished off the Magnaguards and was coming to aid Windu. Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. 258. Maul groaned and tried to attack but was totally outsped and he began to tire. Kit ducked and backed into the fog: Another instance of supplementary material conflicting with the actual source material. Maul roared as his bone was being crushed, before using augmentation on a gap in the armor, causing a shortcircuit momentarily. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary. Out of the fighter came a Dathomirian with red skin and horns followed by two Mandalorian's. Clearly, Grievous—onetime courageous commander of sentient troops—realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous—current commander of droids and other war machines—wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades. Maul was smacken and smacked until he fell down in a pile of blood. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. In mere weeks he had surpassed any of Tyranus's previous students. On Hypori, he defeated five jedi or six jedi, two of them were high council members and yet he still beat them. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. This is one such instance. I'm dying out here! Especially not someone like Maul who is well trained in the latest generation of Banite sith. @blackpantherisb: Honestly it seemed to me like Fisto was dominating him in that duel. Shock: But he has been able to defeat 7 jedi at once and even hold his own against Count Dooku. It took all that the two Jedi had to hold off Grievous' advances. But I would consider it invalid for the same reason Ventress' high standings are invalid. The real issue is if Maul or Grievous is a greater weak link, and how much above Vader and Dooku Yoda is. Grevious stabbed but being part Zabrak Maul had electricity tolerance and wasn't fazed much until Grevious got up and wung his staff around Maul's neck, attempting to choke him. Yeah Grievous's lightsaber skills and H2H skills are very disproportionate. Darth Maul Maul: Defeated Qui gon with minimum effort and loses to said padawon because he got cocky and was toying with him. Meaning the cyborg wins. Grievous also two-shot TCW Kenobi, who ~ TCW Maul. Well I'm not convinced to just let the entire fight be reduced to unusable or overruled entirely. Even with his lungs crushed Grevious managed to easily dent a starship with a punch meanwhile Maul struggled to break free of handcuffs. He can't wield it. I don't think Grievous has outdueled anyone as good as Qui-Gon, though he's come close. The general turned and slashed with his lightsabers, but Kit had vanished back into the fog. 1 Fanon Wiki Ideas So Far 1.1 Battles Royale 1.2 Battle Record 1.3 Possible Opponents 2 Death Battle Info 2.1 Background 2.2 Abilities and Weapons 2.3 Feats 2.4 Weaknesses and Faults 2.4.1 Defeats 3 Gallery 4 Videos Adam Taurus Vs. General Grievous (Completed) Alice Twilight vs. General Grievous General Grievous vs … Then Grevious, slowly raised his body and slowly closed his chest plates after getting on one knee. Even if they were fighting evenly after Grievous was disarmed, the point would still go to Fisto since he would be the only one who took any advantage in their duel. It literally proves that Maul didn't give two shits about Grievous who was nothing more than a distraction and the moment Maul got serious, Grievous was thrown away like a pile of scrap metal. General Grievous vs Darth Maul. Do you have any other video suggestion? Aside from that, I don't think it implausible for legends EU Grievous to be portrayed as similar to Mace or Dooku. i no longer think maul wins. Maul was angry and his passion to fight made it so the General couldn't land a single hit and he went into his spider form. He turned his body side-ways so that he could fight the Jedi on either side of him with two lightsabers each. Wouldn't that amplify the capabilities of dark siders like Ventress and Maul? They are overruled by higher sources. Grievous is a Mace level duelist. Maul was tracked to Zanbar by General Grievous, the leader of the Separatist military, and a Separatist fleet. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. We've got an intruder in the base! These retcons were far before Disney. Fisto didn't win because Grievous was rescued by his bodyguards, as he himself acknowledges: "How quickly power can change hands. Dave Filoni: "I still don't believe that, at this point -- one-to-one -- that Grievous could really take out someone like Ventress in a lightsaber fight. Grevious clenched his arm before growling and picking up his two lightsabers. Mace had Grievous with 3 disadvantages and they still stalemated. Shock: And what better way to get revenge than you guessed it become a demigod and destroy the enemy. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Legends Grievous is more reliant on his second rate saber skills. He then begins to overpower the general, at which point Grievous' bodyguards enter the fray.". Canon Grievous would have as much difficulty with Maul as he does with Kenobi. Then one day while going to a battle field Grievous' ship was sabotaged by Seperatists and crashed in the sea, but never fear Dooku who planned the whole thing got him and then transformed him into a cyborg. The fight suddenly turned into rapid strength combat, which Grevious was better at. Due to being mostly robot Grevious was able to endure the pain and started smacking the Sith. The list makes no sense. Not like he's given Dooku serious issues in combat. The two of them looked away at Sidious and Talzin's force contest. Crossfire:Maul may have been the only one with the force but beyond that he didn't really have any advantages. ", "I have no doubt of that. I mean, it's not like he was above Ventress in Legends. Cue Music 1 Cue Sound 1 Nova: High alert everyone! Maul was spitting blood up when suddenly Grevious jumped up with his hands ready to smash down. Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. His sole setting was attack. Durability. I know that according to SWAEYNTK guide, Maul is above Dooku but that is canon. He was also very intelligent, even built a 3PO droid like Anakin did. Maul used his force to crush the entire wreckage when suddenly he felt the presence of a lightning fast being behind him. He swung his hand out only to catch Grevious' foot and to have the metal talons digging into his arm. True, but Maul is an exceptionally powerful Force user and Grievous is mainly trained to counter the abilities of the Jedi that on average are far below Maul as combatants and don't use the … However Maul rushed in and knocked two of Grevious' sabers away, headbutting him, punching his chest, and in return getting picked up from around the waist and squeezed so hard he spat up blood at his feet and then Grevious broke part of his lower ribs with his knee. Grevious,"Ahhhhh", and Maul brought up his blade striking the darksaber up to make a bigger cut along the General's face. Windu still chose to end the fight rather than keep it up to allow Kit to assist him. They found no trace of allies and were sneaking up on a burning camp when a droid readying a gunship for takeoff saw them. So who do you think would win in a Star Wars fight between Darth Maul and General Grievous? Started beating the shit out of the mag-lev rail itself he began to back. 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